What if your life could become a masterpiece of intentional creativity? Join us as we explore this possibility with Pia Leichter, an author, founder, creative director and guide in this special 30-minute episode.
Celebrating the Creative Potential Within Us All
In our conversation with Pia, we dive into the essence of creativity as a vital force beyond the arts, challenging the common misconception that it exists solely in artistic endeavors. She shares insights on how creativity is akin to teaching and coaching, requiring courage and the willingness to embrace uncertainty. We also explore creativity in unexpected domains, from science to law, and highlight its universality, encouraging everyone to recognize their inherent creative potential, irrespective of their field or background.
Shared wisdom and stories, like Pia’s rather spontaneous decision to take a four-week journey on the Trans-Siberian Railway, illustrate how we hold the power to rewrite our narratives. We also delve into practical steps for nurturing creativity in everyday life, from morning routines to visualizing desired outcomes, empowering listeners to take control of their own creative destinies.
A Bit More About Our Wise Guest
Pia Leichter is a creative partner, published author, certified coach, and entrepreneur. Influenced by her mother’s boldness and her father’s artistic background, creativity for Pia Leichter is not limited to traditional art forms. Instead it is a way of life that permeates every decision and every moment.
Pia’s journey from Canada to New York and eventually Copenhagen has been nothing short of transformative. A recovering nomad, she’s reported as a journalist in Sri Lanka, graduated summa cum laude from NYU, and worked as an award-winning creative director for some of the biggest brands in the world. Now, as the founder of Kollektiv Studio, she’s uniquely positioned to co-create ventures and wild visions.
Pia recently published a book titled, “Welcome to the Creative Club.”Her book ispart memoir and part guidebook, and it will challenge everything you thought you knew about creativity.
She joins us from her home in Copenhagen, Denmark. Over the next hour, you will discover why Pia Leichter is one of the wisest people I know.
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Episode Chapters
0:05:28 – Are we all born with creativity, or just a few?
0:06:15 – The courage to embrace uncertainty
0:08:31 – Moving with trust instead of fear
0:18:16 – Wisdom versus knowledge
0:11:11 – Pia’s work as creative advisor to rebels, dreamers and misfits
0:14:25 – Pia shares her Main Thing wisdom nugget
0:16:30 – Overcoming fear; the power of choice
0:21:16 – Exploring Pia’s new book “Welcome to the Creative Club”
0:27:18 – Pia’s closing thought: embracing uncertainty when creating
Episode Keywords
Wisdom, Creativity, Author, Founder, Life, Journey, Globetrotting, Visionary, Unknown, Beauty, Unexpected, Artistic, Art, Expression, Influence, Courage, Coaching, Courage, Unpredictability, Adversity, Transformative, Transformation, Experiences, Intentionality, Practice, Yoga, Meditation, Journaling, Morning, Slowing, Collaboration, Bali, Surfing, Celebration.
Episode Transcript
0:00:00 – Announcer
Wisdom. It’s an incredibly valuable asset, some would say more precious than gold. It’s attractive, appealing, admirable. Conversely, a lack of wisdom is the basis of immaturity, blind spots and bad decisions. Wisdom, it can be gained over time, but it can’t be rushed. But wisdom can be shared. That’s precisely what we are here to do right now. Today. We are here to hack wisdom, to distill it, to understand it and to process it. Why? To get better at life.
Welcome to the Main Thing. This is your new wisdom podcast. I’m your host, Skip Lineberg, and I’ve set out to interview the wisest people I know. We’ll see what we can learn from each one when they’re faced with an incredibly difficult, soul-piercing question.
0:00:58 – Skip Lineberg
Welcome to your wisdom podcast. If you’re new, I’m Skip Lineberg, and I’ll be your host today. If you are a subscriber or returning listener, welcome back to this cozy learning space where we gather twice a month to hear from one of the wisest people around. As we study their wisdom and learn together, we get a little better at life.
Today’s guest is a bold, unbridled, creative professional who seems to know no boundaries, but this wasn’t always the case for her. In just a few moments, you’ll find out how Pia Leichter was able to push past self-limitations and break through creative boundaries.
But first I want to give a shout out of gratitude to our newest patron, Alison from West Virginia. Patrons like Alison help underwrite our monthly production costs. Alison, thank you for believing in our mission and what we’re doing here. Because of your generous support, we’re able to keep this pipeline of wisdom flowing.
In this powerful, inspiring episode today, you will learn how to become more comfortable with uncertainty, how to embrace your sovereignty, how to take complete ownership of your innate creativity and, of course, you will hear the main thing Pia has learned in her lifetime.
Now here’s a bit more about our wise guest. Pia Leichter is a creative partner, published author, certified coach and entrepreneur. Her path has been anything but ordinary. A recovering nomad, she’s reported as a journalist in Sri Lanka, graduated summa cum laude from NYU and worked as an award-winning creative director for some of the biggest brands in the world. Now, as the founder of Kollektiv Studio, she’s uniquely positioned to co-create ventures and wild visions.
Pia recently published a book titled “Welcome to the Creative Club.” Her book is part memoir and part guidebook, and it will challenge everything you thought you knew about creativity.
Pia joins us from her home in Copenhagen, Denmark. Settle in and get ready. Over the next 30 minutes, you will discover why Pia Leichter is one of the wisest people I know.
0:3:17 – Skip
Pia Leichter, welcome to the Main Thing Podcast.
0:03:21 – Pia Leichter
Thanks for having me Skip, so happy to be here.
0:03:23 – Skip
Pia, you are coming to us from Denmark, from Copenhagen, but you were born in Canada and raised in New York. How did you get to Denmark? I’ll bet there’s a story there.
0:03:33 – Pia Leichter
There’s a long and winding road. It was definitely not a direct flight. I call myself a recovering nomad because I have been moving around since I was a kid and that pattern continued in adulthood because it was what I knew, so I have so to give you the short version of the story. I graduated from NYU, then decided to produce an economic documentary in Bahrain for eight months. Met my ex-husband, who is French, and so we moved to France for about a little under a year. Then we both moved to London together and lived there for four years. And then I got headhunted for a creative role in Copenhagen and I thought Scandinavia, why not! I didn’t even know Copenhagen, necessarily. I just heard good things. And then they flew me over, and it was a beautiful place with, you know, your usual postcard picturesque buildings, blue, pastel colors and red and blue and canals, and it was gorgeous and I thought, okay, let’s check this place out. For a while I never thought it would become home, but lo and behold, it did. It’s a good place.
0:04:46 – Skip
Well, thank you, I love it. And in a couple of days you’re off to Bali. For a birthday celebration …?
0:04:52 – Pia Leichter
For my big birthday celebration. It’s going to be great! For my birthdays. I like to travel, to go somewhere. It’s like, oh, that was the year I went here and that was the year. It’s kind of like these markers and I also think it’s wonderful to try things for the first time—again. And as we get older, sometimes it feels like those first times diminish. So I like to be very intentional about having new first times.
0:05:28 – Skip
What a wonderful tradition! We’re going to talk a lot about creativity today. We’re going to talk about your book, we’re going to talk about your work, but I wonder when did you first consider yourself to be a creative person?
0:05:36 – Pia Leichter
Well, it’s interesting because growing up with uh and my dad’s an artist, he’s an abstract painter, so creativity never felt something sort of outside of myself or something to be attained. It just felt like a part of life.
There’s a phrase in the book, a sentence or two, that I thought really set this for me … with this framework about understanding creativity. You said in the book, you wrote, “Being open to and having the courage to try new things—that’s the entry price for creativity.” I’d never heard it said so well.
0:06:15 – Pia Leichter
Thank you. Being able to do new things means that we have to build our capacity to be in the uncertain unknown. That is the price you pay. You cannot be creative if you already know the outcome before you begin. We go in with a certain openness, a certain humility and playfulness and experimentation. Like, I don’t know … let’s see. Let me roll up my sleeves and find out, and the process or or the creation appears as you make it. And I think there, that is something really exciting about that. It requires courage. It was what requires courage to say, I don’t know; let’s find out. But that’s also thrilling, it’s where possibilities live.
0:07:04 – Skip
Pia, right now, listeners out there, there’s someone saying under their breath I don’t have a creative bone in my body and I don’t know what these people are talking about.
Why might that be a misconception, or what might they be missing or overlooking?
0:07:18 – Pia Leichter
Well, I think a lot of us culturally conflate creativity for artistic expression, culturally conflate creativity for artistic expression. So artistic expression is one very powerful form of creativity, but it’s just one. Creativity is in every domain. Science and law can be very creative. Like everything that in every domain creativity exists. I mean creativity is a novel, useful, sometimes delightful way of solving everyday challenges.
We are natural born creatives. It’s in our biology, it’s how our brain functions as human beings. It’s what enabled our survival. It is a part of who we are.
And what stops us from being creative is that thought: well, I don’t have a creative bone in my body. And I would argue that, yes, you do, yes, you do you, all your bones, they’re creative. I wrote the book to smash the myth that creativity is reserved for the chosen few, so that people can access and apply their innate creativity to the design of their lives.
0:08:31 – Skip
Pia, you shared with me this phrase: to move with trust instead of fear. And I thought that was also so powerful. I wrote it in my in my journal. I think it’s worthy of a T-shirt. Where did that come from? How does that shape how you live?
0:08:46 – Pia Leichter
Well, I realized at some point in my life not that long ago, uh, that I had been moving with fear, maybe not consciously, but you know for many different reasons. Whether it was inherited, scripts about scarcity and what might happen, whether it’s the way I grew up in New York City in the 80’s.
And when I became aware of that fear. I was able to make a different choice and I make that choice every day. It’s a practice, it’s not a destination, it’s not like: “Now, I am done with fear. I’m going to move with trust.”
When fear comes up, it’s telling us something, it’s giving us an insight, an indication, and fear could be telling us a lot of different things. Right, there might be a bear charging at us? Probably not, but it’s possible. There might be danger on the horizon, real danger. But there could also be perceived danger. That’s a perceived threat, maybe not actual. And fear is also a sign that we’re on the precipice of change—of something big!
0:09:50 – Skip
That’s a powerful idea.
0:09:52 – Pia Leichter
And fear gets really loud when we’re standing on that precipice.
I just want to move with trust. I want to move like, I trust life. I trust myself, and I trust the unfolding, even when things don’t make sense to me right away. Even when I don’t know exactly what it will be, because life is just so much more thrilling that way.
0:10:18 – Skip
Let’s go ahead and talk about how we’re connected. Do you want to start?
0:10:21 – Pia Leichter
Well, The Main Thing became my main squeeze. No, sorry, I had to say that.
0:10:28 – Skip
Oh, go on. Go on!
0:10:31 – Pia Leichter
The Main Thing …it just drew me in because the word wisdom resonates deeply with me. Because everyone has knowledge, everyone knows something.
0:10:42 – Skip
Increasingly so … yes, increasingly so.
0:10:47 – Pia Leichter
But to be able to apply what we know to our lives, to how we live, is wisdom to me.
0:10:56 – Skip
Yeah.
0:10:57 – Pia Leichter
It’s beautiful and challenging to apply what we know, because I think we are aware of a lot. But then how do you use it? How do you apply it? How do you make it real in your world?
0:11:11 – Skip
I want to know more about your work as a creative guide and as a resource to folks who are creative professionals or want to become more creative. Tell us about that part of your life, your work.
0:11:24 – Pia Leichter
I creatively partner with visionary rebels, unconventional dreamers and inspired misfits to bring their wild visions and ventures into the world to create an impact. I help people create people who do things differently to make a difference.
So I shared what united the characteristics that unite the people that I work with. And but usually they’re also at a similar point in time, right? A similar point, on their journeys, and that’s what I call sticky junctures.
0:11:55 – Skip
Okay.
0:11:55 – Pia Leichter
So they’re at a point where what they used to do. I was there, as I shared earlier. Where what used to work, or what they used to bring fulfillment, or what used to be successful for them … something else is calling. Right, there’s something bigger, whether it’s feeling ….
0:12:16 – Skip
Maybe feeling a tug?
0:12:18 – Pia Leichter
Feeling a tug. It could be a pivot, a desire, an expansion. Maybe something that you can see or feel, and maybe you just feel it and you can’t quite make out the outline yet.
They’re looking for a creative midwife, if you will, to help them bring that next project, brand, book, business … into the world, yeah.
So, as a certified coach and someone who has worked with the creativity whether it’s creative direction, creative strategy, copywriting, et cetera, like those, I have a mixing board. And depending on where people are on their journey, I turn volumes up or down.
0:13:00 – Skip
Pia, if someone wants to learn more about your work or they’ve heard enough and they want to connect with you, your website, I would imagine. Great place to go for that?
0:13:06 – Pia Leichter
Kollektiv dot studio. Show notes—because it’s spelled in a Scandinavian style.
0:13:12 – Skip
Kollektiv dot studio. I’ll put it in the show notes. You can click the link and learn a lot more about Pia’s work. You can see customer testimonials, case studies, sign up for her newsletter. There’s a blog there and a gorgeous website.
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0:14:25 – Skip
Pia Leichter, what’s the main thing you’ve learned in your lifetime so far?
0:14:32 – Pia Leichter
The main thing I’ve learned is that I’m creatively directing my life.
0:14:40 – Skip
Ooh, you are creatively directing your life. What a cool concept. I think I know what that means, but I’d love to hear you tell me more about it.
0:14:49 – Pia Leichter
Thinking that I was just working as a creative director in my job, but after a pretty difficult divorce and getting fired from my job and where life felt like it was completely turned inside out, upside down. “52 Pick Up” with my life on the floor. I could have stayed in Copenhagen, fearful. Fearfully, desperately, looking for another job, because my visa was going to run out in six months so I would have had to leave the country.
0:15:21 – Skip
So there was that too.
0:15:30 – Pia Leichter
I needed a pause, I needed to beat. Everything was not right, felt not right, and I needed some time. And I made the decision to go on the Trans-Siberian instead, by myself.
0:15:37 – Skip
Oh my gosh.
0:15:38 – Pia Leichter
For four weeks. So I went through China, Mongolia.
0:15:42 – Skip
I’ve seen, I’ve seen bits of that in the book.
0:15:44 – Pia Leichter
I went through China, Mongolia and Russia. And it was in that moment, on the train hurtling through Siberia, that I stopped and realized and recognized: hey, I creatively directed this moment. I produced this moment. I made you know, I’m like the protagonist, I’m the director, I’m the writer, I’m the sound engineer, I’m the set designer. I made this moment, I created this moment in my life. I made this happen for myself. Wow, having that creative agency! Yeah, and that was very profound.
0:16:22 – Skip
Can I share a thought, a word? You were sovereign.
0:16:30 – Pia Leichter
Yes. You see, I do believe I’m creatively directing my life. Because I’m going to direct my next scene and I’m going to choose how I see things today. I’m going to choose to see things that the universe is working for me and with me and through me. I’m going to choose to see it that way instead of the universe is working against me.
0:16:52 – Skip
Your main thing—I am creatively directing my life. That’s awesome. What a great wisdom statement! I wonder if you might be able to share with us a recent example, a very recent personal example from your life, when you had to apply that wisdom to overcome something or to deal with something.
0:17:08 – Pia Leichter
Oh, I’ll give you a small one, but it was an opportunity to practice that belief. My audio book launch is coming up in June, mid-June.
0:17:19 – Skip
Okay.
0:17:19 – Pia Leichter
So I had this, like once again, that low-level hum of anxiety that was percolating within me. So I was writing in the morning my morning pages and I was like feel this anxiety about like I gotta do it, I gotta do this. And I’m like, okay, well, let’s name this fear. What’s happening here? The fear was saying this is your last shot to really have something new to talk about with the book, and so you better make this work, sister.
0:17:51 – Skip
You had created this villain. Fear had created this villain.
0:17:54 – Pia Leichter
So it created this villain, exactly. It created this villain that was fictional, but to name it is the first step in removing its charge. Name the fear. What is the fear saying?
Oh, and then I can see it and go no, this is not how. It’s not the energy I want to move with for my, launching my self-narrated audiobook, which was a heap of fun and challenging. And this is an exciting, heart-filled project, and I’m not going to choke it through fear and anxiety. It will be whatever it is.
0:18:28 – Skip
Yeah, flip that. Look what I get to do. Look at this blessing and privilege of what I get to do.
0:18:36 – Pia Leichter
Exactly! And I get to make it fun. I don’t have to make it anxiety-ridden, because the only one who’s doing that is me. That’s sovereignty.
0:18:47 – Skip
Right.
0:18:48 – Pia Leichter
If I’m anxious and I’m creating an anxious experience, I’m the one doing that. Here’s the good news: I can also undo that and choose to do something else that and choose to do something else.
0:18:58 – Skip
Pia, a listener who hasn’t yet embraced this wisdom that I am creatively directing my life. What kind of pain points, struggles, fears, what kind of things might they be bumping into?
0:19:10 – Pia Leichter
Well, sometimes, especially nowadays, life it can feel like life is happening to us. It can feel like things are beyond our control. Then we’re just kind of, you know, going with the rolling with the punches.
And that can feel very disempowering, that can feel like we’re not sovereign anymore. That we’re no longer creative directors.
And so it’s just becoming aware of … if you’re feeling stuck or blocked. You know, what are some of the stories or ideas that are creating that feeling. What are the beliefs?
I feel like life is happening to me. Alright, well if you want to rewrite that …what’s …? What belief would serve you? What belief would put you in the creative directors chair with your name on it.
The first very important question is: what do you really want to create next?
0:20:06 – Skip
Okay. Get clear on that.
0:20:09 – Pia Leichter
That could be an experience. It doesn’t have to be a huge like, oh God, my life in five years. I mean it can be if you want it to be.
But it can be very much like, you know, let’s say you have a meeting you’re nervous about.
0:20:22 – Skip
Sure.
0:20:24 – Pia Leichter
I have to go to this meeting.
0:20:25 – Skip
Gotta present to the board.
0:20:29 – Pia Leichter
Yeah, sure, I have to go to this meeting I present to the board. Yeah, so then ask yourself: how would you like to create that experience for yourself? How would you like to experience the meeting?
Well, I’d like it to be easy, and I like it to be fun, and I’d like to feel confident.
Okay, what would support you in that? What mindset, what practices sometimes it’s going to the gym before you like what what would support you in creating that for yourself? What do I really have to lose and how serious is this thing? And it just it gives me levity and it gives me courage. So, that’s a perspective shift that supports me.
That Oscar Wilde quote that I love: “Life is too important to be taken seriously.”
A little bit of play, a little bit of fun, a little bit of levity.
0:21:16 – Skip
Pia, your main thing: I am creatively directing my life. You creatively directed yourself to write a book.
0:21:22 – Pia Leichter
I did.
0:21:24 – Skip
When I read your book, the writing is like Jack Kerouac or Hemingway, in the sense that it’s your writing is so vivid. And as you bring us into a new chapter, you, in such a colorful, vibrant way, create the scene, the surroundings, the mood, the feel.
And then you tell me a compelling story. But I’m immersed in that scene. I can see the space, I can feel the vibe, I can hear the music. I can … I can sense the warmth of the sunshine. And then the stories are so entertaining and so vivid with, with the uh, the scene-setting. It’s just really, really, really enjoyable. It’s very entertaining. It’s very illustrative.
So I’m loving the book and I can’t wait to finish it. What inspired you to write this book?
0:22:14 – Pia Leichter
I’ve had a book in me. I think everyone has a book inside them. Everybody. Will everyone write that book? That I don’t know, but everyone has a book in them.
So I had a book in me. And what happened was—I got the founder of the hybrid publisher I worked with reached out to me on Twitter and he said have you ever thought of writing a book? And I thought, well, yeah, I have, but I have no idea what it would be about. And then he said, well, let’s jump on a call. And so we jumped on a call and we discussed the process and he said you don’t really need to know exactly what it would be about. We have a whole structure and they’re editors and you know we have a whole journey for you and this is what it would involve and it’s this kind of investment and you know it was a pretty big commitment on many levels.
And so after that call, I was like, fear came back. You see, fear just came back Like how am I going to? Am I going to? What book am I going to write? This is huge. This is huge investment on so many levels. What if it doesn’t work out? You know the usual, and that’s okay. I’m on the precipice. You see what I said: when we’re on the precipice of something big, fear kicks up.
And because I was aware of that, I knew that’s why fear was present. It was good data for me.
0:23:30 – Skip
Data, yeah. A signal, just a signal.
0:23:33 – Pia Leichter
Yeah, it’s good signal. This means this is big. This is going to stretch me. This is good, this is good, good, good. So it was very, very interesting to switch, to be able to switch my mindset when I saw the fear to go—yes, okay, now I understand why you’re here. Because I’m on the cusp of something big.
It took me 24 hours to make the decision. So I wrestled with it. I went back and forth, had all that nervous, excited energy within me. And then it came pretty quick and I just made it. And then I jumped.
And I think that’s one thing to say, that the first jump we take in life, that big leap of faith, at least from my experience, can feel … like Whoa .., scary you know. But after that jump it’s like going to the gym. We’ve been building that muscle to leap.
So the next leap … yeah, it still feels, you know well a little scary. But the feeling wasn’t as strong, it didn’t last as long, and the decision came much quicker. And that’s because I’d been practicing.
0:24:35 – Skip
Yeah, and you know you’re going to get through it.
0:24:37 – Pia Leichter
And that was a really nice realization to know that the more that you trust yourself, the more you trust life, the more you move with it, the more you leap, the easier it gets. Not easy, but the easier it gets.
Because you’re building that muscle for yourself. You’re creating evidence that you can trust yourself. You can trust life. That doesn’t mean that you’re going to get exactly what you want the way you want it. No—but you’ll be beautifully surprised at what you might have.
0:25:04 – Skip
Yeah, beautifully surprised. Right on.
0:25:10 – Skip
Pia, someone reads your book … what do you hope they come away with?
0:25:14 – Pia Leichter
I hope people come away with that piece of wisdom that they … that they have the creative agency. And that they feel less alone in it, because I share vulnerable stories about how I lost and found my creative power. In order to show what it was like for me but it’s going to look different for everyone. And to know you’re not alone in that we go through those peaks and those valleys, but sometimes in the losing is how we find out who we really are … and what our real capacity to create is.
0:25:50 – Skip
Yeah, you’re not alone. It’s a club, it’s the creative club.
0:25:53 – Pia Leichter
Exactly. We’re here together, we’re creating together. You’re not alone in it, and the world needs exactly what only you can create. Someone out there needs exactly what only you can create.
So my hope is that there’s a reclamation of their innate creativity, like, “Hell, yeah! I’m creative.” And then there’s that little shot of courage, wherever it might come from, that they can trust themselves to take that jump and do that thing, whatever it might be. Knowing that it’s also to create an impact in the lives of others.
0:26:29 – Skip
Who should read this book?
0:26:31 – Pia Leichter
It’s a good question. People who are on the cusp of something, people who hear hear a call. People who either hear a call or are ready for something, feel an itch.
0:26:43 – Skip
Sticky junctures?
0:26:44 – Pia Leichter
Sticky juncture time! And people who maybe feel a bit disconnected from their innate creative power, their innate creativity.
0:26:54 – Skip
That’s awesome. So, listeners, if if that describes you in any way, get the book. You’ll love it. It’s great.
0:27:00 – Pia Leichter
Thanks so much.
0:27:03 – Skip
Pia, as we wrap up this wonderful conversation, this wisdom conversation, I want to just give you some open mic time to share a closing thought, maybe to share something … an insight or an idea that we didn’t cover in the conversation.
0:27:18, – Pia Leichter
I would say that I think the nature of creating or creation, is not knowing what it will be until you start creating it.
You know there’s a Rumi quote I love: “The path appears once you start walking.”
0:27:37 – Skip
Yeah.
0:27:38 – Pia Leichter
So, what I’ve discovered, a little piece of wisdom I’d like to share is, you know, whether it came to launching my business. When I, when I, went to launch collective studio, I didn’t know exactly what it was going to be. When I started writing my book, I didn’t know exactly what it was going to be.
And if I waited to know, I’d be waiting a long time. I wouldn’t have done those things. So it’s just a little, a little reminder that it’s okay not to know. Because that’s how you’re going to find out is by doing it. You just start walking. You just start creating. Just start experimenting. Just start trying, and it will appear.
Here’s the real fun part of something else I’ve discovered. Often it doesn’t look like what I thought it would. It takes a different shape. And I want to be open to that, because I believe that the universe has a much wilder imagination than mine. Sometimes I have an idea of what I, what I think, like I would like it to be this way, and then I let it go.
Then I get curious about what might come my way, because I want to be able to recognize these opportunities … or recognize the different forms that might take, because there’s something bigger at play.
0:28:51 – Skip
Great place to leave it, Pia.
Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom. This has been a blast.
0:28:57 – Pia Leichter
Thank you so much, Skip. I appreciate you and your energy and this co-creation so much. I hope to come back.
0:29:03 – Skip
Have a great trip to Bali, and so long for now.
0:29:07 – Pia Leichter
Thank you. So long for now Skip.
0:29:09 – Announcer
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